Hier noch ein Interview mit Clint Boon, das ich in Manchester geführt habe. Abends haben wir dann noch gemeinsam aufgelegt, eine unglaubliche Erfahrung.
Can you explain why Manchester is such a vibrant City musically?
CB: There’s a lot of reasons but a big factor is the weather because it isn’t very reliable. So you spend a lot of your days and nights indoors. Over the years we get to listen to a lot more music than somebody in Barcelona or Brazil where they go out play football or enjoy the sunshine and drink beer. In Manchester the weather sometimes is so bad that you’re stuck in your bedroom with your radio, cassette player or CD player. So over the years we have built this community that absorb a lot of music. The other reason is that we are quite central in the British Isles and we used to have a big port where people from all over the world came into Manchester. Now we got a big airport where people still fly in from Japan, Russia and so on. So we’ve always been exposed to international cultures and international music. So when house music arrived in Britain in the late 1980s it pretty much arrived in Manchester from Chicago. So DJs were coming to Manchester to play the Hacienda or Cream in Liverpool. In the 1960s a lot of American beat music came in via the ships into Liverpool and Manchester docks. So the geography of Manchester is very important and another fact is that the north of England is well known for being a very warm and open minded kind of person. So if you’re an artist in this part of the world your art is pretty well supported. There’s always an audience whether you’re a musician, a painter or a designer there’s always somebody who supports your work and tells you to keep going. At the end of the day we’ve got about 40, 50 years of amazing music coming out of the city that inspires the next generation. Now you’ve got Twisted Wheel, The Courteeners, The Ting Tings are the new big bands coming out of Manchester. They’re pretty much inspired by the previous generation like the Roses, the Mondays or the Inspirals, or the Buzzcocks, Joy Division before them or Herman’s Hermits or The Beatles from Liverpool. It’s a self generating thing, I think. And because we’re well known for being a music city you got all these students coming in because of that. The Chemical Brothers are a brilliant example for that. They were coming here from the South because of the Madchester music. They met at Manchester University and started to make music and there you go they’re part of our musical tradition.
What was going on in Manchester before rave?
CB: I grew up in a town called Oldham, a suburb of Manchester, small satellite town. So my existence then was pretty much dominated by stuff on the radio. So growing up in the sixties and seventies it was a lot of sixties music and seventies Disco music and I heard a lot of Rock’n’Roll, fifties Rock’n’Roll music and that inspired me the most by then. Towards the end of the seventies Punk happened. I was so fortunate to see the Sex Pistols when they played in Manchester in December 1976 at the Electric Circus and on the same bill were the Buzzcocks, Johnny Thunder’s Heartbreakers and The Clash. Sex Pistols headlined, it was the Anarchy Tour. That was the moment when I decided I want to do that, I want to be in a band, I want to be in music. So the Punk scene got a lot of kids into that mood and Manchester was a very powerful and creative city for that. And that led into the early eighties with Joy Division and subsequently New Order and The Smiths arrived onto the scene. The Smith were very much a product of the Punk movement. Mid eighties music scene in Manchester was very much guitar based, shoegaze was the term of the British music press. So The Smiths and The Waltones were the most prominent bands at that time. It became somewhat inward looking, in terms of music a very introverted scene, very dark. So Manchester needed a revolution, needed something new to happen, even if The Smiths were brilliant. The reaction to that was the kids dressing up in colourful clothes, taking drugs and listening to psychedelic music and replicating that psychedelic music. In case of Happy Mondays they were replicates of Sly and the Family Stone, The Stone Roses were replicating The Byrds and Simon & Garfunkel. Suddenly the Manchester music scene was inspired by retro stuff but became something brand new with edge. It became very colourful, to me my memory of Manchester around ‘84/ ’85 was completely black and white. Even though I love The Fall, The Chameleons and The Smiths to me it was all black and white and red brick buildings and smokey chimneys. But when I think of ‘88/ ’89 that was fucking flower power and colourful like California in the 1960s. Subsequent to that the Madchester thing died off and the Britpop scene happened. Manchester was also a central part to that because of Oasis and The Charlatans. More recently bands like Elbow, Cherry Ghost, I am Kloot, Doves brought more maturity to the output of the city, they’re songwriters. They were doing stuff that hadn’t been done before in the city. More recently Ting Tings, Courteeners, Twisted Wheel and there are some new bands that are doing phenomenal stuff. So Manchester has always been a prolific music city even in fifties and sixties when I wasn’t part of it the Jazz music scene and the Northern Soul scene pretty much started in Manchester. Bob Dylan played the Free Trade Hall and used an electric guitar, that was when Folk became electric. So Dylan pretty much changed Folk music in Manchester, the audience was shouting ‘Judas’. This is a very important story in music history and it happened in Manchester. So I believe it is the most important music city in the world. There can’t be another city that equals what we do for such a small community.
What would you say was the initiation of rave? Was there a certain event that kickstarted it?
CB: You could argue that the seeds for rave and Madchester were sawn in July of ’76 when the Buzzcocks got the Sex Pistols to play Manchester because that moment inspired Tony Wilson and New Order who weren’t New Order at that time, inspired all these creative people who created a community called Manchester. From that came Factory Records, New Order, Central Station Design. All these great things happened and that was when rave was born. In terms of a date on the calendar I’d say when the Hacienda started to book American DJs. Or when Mike Pickering and Andy Weatherall who were working at the Hacienda as DJs started to play American house music. Somewhere between ‘86/ ’87. It was a coming together of these records being played at this amazing night club, The Hacienda, in front of a lot of people who needed something new. It was bands like the Mondays and the Inspirals who started wearing Paisleys and bowl haircuts and suddenly it was like ‘fucking hell drum machines and sequencers sound amazing’. It was something that fitted in the sound we were doing. It was a moment in time which can’t be replicated and will probably never happen again in such a beautiful level.
What role did drugs play?
CB: I think it accelerated everything. A lot of guys who wouldn’t have danced on their own in 1983 or ’84 because guys didn’t dance on there own then. You couldn’t walk in a club in ’83 in Manchester and dance on your own. You dance with a girl. Drugs brought people out of that shell and suddenly guys were going for it on their own. So it still is like that today. I am djing tonight in Wigan and tomorrow at South in Manchester and guys will dance alone with their arms in the air. Today it’s got nothing to do with drugs anymore but it’s still the way it was in the Madchester times. It played a very important part in it. As the Inspirals we famously didn’t involve ourselves with drugs for whatever reasons. I was the oldest member in the band when we started, I was 25 and had already been a business man. I worked as a company director. I knew that drugs could also destroy what we were doing. So I stayed away from it. It played an important part in that sense that it made people accept strangers more readily and accept new music more readily.
But with the drugs there was much more violence involved, wasn’t it?
CB: Yeah, the problem wasn’t the people who were taking the drugs it was the people who were selling it. And it was the people who were trying to get into the clubs to sell the drugs and the people who were trying to control the doors. Sure there were drug takers who died and that was tragic and bad publicity for the movement. The trouble started when the people turned up at the Hacienda with guns. A couple of times it had to close but Tony and his team managed to open it again by persuading the council that it will never happen again. In the end it happened one time too many and the rest is history. The place is no longer there and that’s a shame. I constantly regret it because it was a very important building in terms of Manchester’s development from the industrial revolution up to the present day.
How would you describe the impact of your band?
CB: I think we played a major part in the Manchester music scene but we were by no means the leaders of it. I like to think that we were always regarded as part of the big three. The Inspirals, The Roses and the Mondays. It was a great pedestal we were put on. We did a great work to create the style and sound of Manchester so we got credit for it. We created a lot of music. We made four great studio albums, 18 or 19 Singles, we did Top of the Pops a lot. In terms of the British music scene we contributed quite a lot but we would never be U2 or R.E.M. or Depeche Mode. We would never be a stadium band but as individuals we achieved far more than we ever set out to achieve. When we started the Inspirals one of my ambitions was to make a record, whether it was a single or an album. Something that is not a cassette tape, you know. In a nutshell I’d say the Inspirals were crucial to the Manchester music scene and we were also quite important in the British music scene. But I would never say we were the best and so on.
Was there kind of tight relation between the bands or strong competition?
CB: Definitely competitive but really supportive. The way the bands supported each other back in the days was brilliant. We were all friends before. Me and Mani had a band in 1984 called The Mill. I played Keyboards, Mani on Bass and we had a guy called Chris Goodwin on Drums and we split up in 1985. I started the Inspiral Carpets, Mani went to the Roses and Chris started a band called The High who were another seminal Manchester band. Before Madchester me, Mani and Chris had this band doing psychedelic music and it was almost a blueprint for what the Inspirals did. We were quite ahead of our times. We were all friends, we knew the Mondays from ‘86/ ’87. So we grew up doing the same gigs and there was always that competition like, ‘We wanna do Top of the Pops before them’. You can’t deny that. There was never jealousy I mean I’m a fan. I was always a massive Mondays fan and still am to this day or James, fucking hell, what a great band, what an amazing voice. The Roses, again what fantastic records. I never witnessed any bitchiness or any jealousy. It was always, ‘Fucking good for you, you’re on Top of the Pops, so there’s more chance we’re gonna get on Top of the Pops.’ It was a real brotherhood. And a good sign for that is that even today we are still close friends, me, Peter Hook, Bez, Shaun, Mani, Chris Goodwin. I don’t think this happens in other towns, you know.
What were the main figures for you in the rave scene?
CB: Happy Mondays, they were a band that very much embraced that dance thing. Very much embraced the house music ‘cos they were in the Hacienda selling drugs and they heard these amazing records from Chicago. They emulated that into their sound more that we. We always remained a psychedelic band. People like Gerald Simpson and 808 State were crucial to the scene. They were Manchester lads who started making American house music. They were that impressed by it. They started making records that emulated what’s coming in from Chicago and Detroit. That’s the original 808 State records that was alien to us, you know, machines making music, robot music. We haven’t heard anything like that which was brilliant. “Voodoo Ray” by A Guy called Gerald was crucial, “Pacific State” by 808 State was a crucial record. I’d say “Papua New Guinea” by The Future Sound of London was also important and N-Trance from Oldham put out a record called “Set you free” which I still put on every time I dj. A lot of people see it as a cheesy club record but that was when the robot music went vocal and fucking soulful and that’s when I fell in love with it. Even today it give me goosebones ‘cos it reminds me of that era. Primal Scream, the “Loaded” Album was also very important. Before they were just a psychedelic indie band from Glasgow and I think it was Weatherall who produced it who brought all the dance music techniques in. What an amazing record the “Screamadelica” record. But definitely the Mondays, I lover their first album, John Cale out of Velvet Underground produced it and it is very shambolic and baggy. It slows down and speeds up. Brilliant. And the second album is just another indie band going electric with Weatherall and Oakenfold as the producers. You can clearly hear all the drum machines and dance stuff on it.
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